Things that make me go GRRRRRRR

We are still in Vail, enjoying our time away from life and I'll check in again later. But for now, a post I wrote last week …

Alright. I feel like I'm going nuts. Can I get your opinion here? I recently ran across this article about cruising with a toddler. A woman wrote in saying that she and her family had recently taken a cruise and though she felt she had researched the trip thoroughly, she was surprised (livid) to learn partway through her vacation that their two-year-old would not be allowed in the pool with a swim diaper on. Based on this fact and a lack-luster children's program, she had filed a complaint with Royal Caribbean and was requesting her son's fare be refunded. As to whether or not she deserves a refund or not, I'm unsure. The tone of the article seemed to me (though it isn't clearly spelled out) that she felt like she had asked ample questions before booking the cruise and felt like she should have been told about this beforehand. If I were a travel agent booking a cruise for someone with a toddler and knew of this rule, I'd be sure to point it out. A five-day cruise with a kid who doesn't have a lot to do in the way of activities doesn't seem like much of a vacation to me.

But what really got me were the comments people left after this seemingly innocuous article. Five pages strong and nary a one sympathized with this mom. Everyone was FLOORED that a parent would ever CONSIDER taking an “unhousebroken” child into a public pool and that she was little better than Hitler for even suggesting such a thing. They painted her to be a Momzilla, convinced that every drop of bodily fluid that exited her child's body was as lovely (and valuable) as frankencense and that she thought that everyone should be worshipping at the alter of her offspring. One commenter (page 3, name is Captain Rick, though I have other, less polite suggestions for his future moniker) even says that he and his wife did not take their own kids on ANY PUBLIC TRANSIT (including planes) until they were AT LEAST in THIRD GRADE and could conduct themselves “properly” and not be “a distraction” to other people.I don't know about where you live, but here we take our “unhousebroken” kids into public pools all the time. They wear swim diapers, which I concede, are not foolproof. But somehow, it seems to rarely be a problem. The pools do occasionally get closed down due to an accident and is it gross, yes, absolutely, but it is also not the apocolypse. Now I understand that there is a difference when on a ship (and I wouldn't suggest the policy be changed). There is limited water supply and people are in much more confined quarters that would make an outbreak devastating. But the idea that only Hitler would put a toddler in a swim diaper in a public pool? Ridiculous. And honestly, I don't know that I would have thought to question the swim diaper policy on a cruise ship having never been on one before.

I really don't think I'm of one of those people who makes any excuse for kids. Poorly behaved kids still annoy me. A LOT. I work really hard with Tabby to make sure that her behavior is good enough that she is welcome wherever she goes. But she is a kid, still learning and not perfect. And there is a big difference between a kid who is being a kid (and times where this is appropriate or not) and a kid who is behaving badly. I really thought we'd moved beyond kids beeing seen and not heard and locked away with their governess until they could comport themselves with dignity at all times. And quite honestly, I see just as many adults behaving badly as I do children (smug dude in too expensive suit who cut in front of me in the line at the airport, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE), though perhaps quite not as loudly.

What's your take?

5 Replies to “Things that make me go GRRRRRRR”

  1. This is a tough call. As a parent, you should have just as much of a right to bring your child on vacation with you.

    But like you said, limited water supply, and a lot of times, parents are ignorant and will bring their kid in the water with diahrrea anyway (acting as if they're entitled). The cruise line should have been up front if she did the proper research. Or even if she hadn't. This should be well known before you sign up.

    On the other hand, I think about taking a 2 year old on a cruise and it makes me break out in hives. There are proper vacations for kids, and then there are vacations that are more adult oriented. A cruise is one of them (unless you're traveling on a cruise line specifically for kids, like Disney).

  2. Yeah not sure she deserved a refund but so what if the kid pooped in the pool. That is what chlorine is partly for. What is that commenters problem? Really third grade? I can't travel till Olivia is in third grade!? Plenty of third graders still have melt downs? Sure they don't poop but what are you supposed to do?

  3. I agree with you. I'm sure there are ship-related reasons behind the policy, but I would be willing to bet that there are many “housebroken” little kids who pee in that ship's pool on a daily basis. As another commenter said, there are places to take kids and there are places not to take them. Unless the cruise was a family-friendly one, I'm not sure I'd take my kids on it. That said, a well-behaved child should be welcome most places.

    PS: Happy birthday, Tabby!

  4. I think it is fishy that the travel agent is returning the lady's emails… to me that shows that they knew that they would have issues… and some of these sites are so hard to look through for the info you need to find it would be so easy to miss something like that… I think she does deserve her money back… and I would keep fighting them etc…

    And these crusie lines say they are for the whole family… but I guess not…

  5. Having just taken Ava on a cruise in October, I have to say that it was made pretty clear everywhere I looked that no swim diapers or diapers of any kind are allowed in pools. I found that on every website I looked at. Only Disney has one pool on their ships for babies that has special filtration or something.

    Regardless, when we were on the cruise, we were told that there were 22 babies under the age of 2 on board. Lots of people travel with young ones. We certainly missed out on a few things having a baby with us & nobody to babysit, but it was certainly still very baby friendly & was a great vacation for all of us. I think the 5 year olds were much worse behaved than my 1 year old was!

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